Hi John,

>A magazine exists for one reason...to service it's readership. I do agree with you that how Advisor chooses to run its busines is up to them.

Sure, and you have every right to tell them what you think, and from what I've seen, barring the implied (read - that may be how others read it rather than how you mean it) personal crusade to make some "point" with Tamar, et al., you've done a great job. They also have every right to ignore you and me. <g>

Thing is, you've made your point. Other than using the UT to perhaps embarass them into action I'd say everyone here knows that you think they (Advisor Pubs.) do a lousy job.

To keep pressing the point only weakens your position and whether or not you mean things to take this turn, it does indeed start to look like a personal, rather than professional, matter. I'm happy to accept your assertion that this is not the case but others might not be so charitable and you end up with some of the flame nonsense you've had to deal with.

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>I suppose then it is up to the readership to vote with thier wallets - to not subscribe. However, there is a lack of choice...

Ahh.. Me'thinks not. I'm eagerly anticipating Markus' & Rick's new publication. As you well know, nothing works to cause changes better than a little competition and given the technical level of both of those fellows, and by association, the other writers they would pick to write, at their level of choosing, I'd be willing to wager you a lunch that they will be hugely successful -and- perhaps do more to advance your particular cause than anything else that will come along.

Remember... two ways to get the tallest building. Build your own or tear someone else's down. If you really wanted to promote your cause I'd suggest you continue to write those tasty white papers and articles and use the new magazine for your venue. That way you win by not looking like a whiner or someone with an axe to grind, the readers benefit from good solid technical materials rather than pap, you actually help Advisor Publications by forcing them to improve or go under (that's what you want, right? <g>), and old farts like me get to watch the community benefit all around so we'll quit harping at you. *bg*

Here's my cause: Do everything in my power to promote the general welfare of the entire FoxPro community. Whether by appearing to be the crazy uncle in the attic but at the same time helping people to not take themselves but their craft seriously or to help someone like Craig Berntson get a new job so his fledgling business can get an infusion of cash or by helping Rob Abram to get published or perhaps sending someone a private messaeg encouraging them in a personal matter. Let me say something here and embarass a good friend. When we lost Jonathan almost seven years ago, Jim Booth took it upon himself to call me every day at the same time whe was so far in the proverbial shark tank he knew them by first name. <g> I owe him big time and my way of paying that back is to do for other what he did for me - be a real friend in time of need. I am embarassed to have to put him in that spot but unless and until others learn that there is one hell of a lot more to life than having others know you as a technically competent individual, then in my opinion you really have no clue whatsoever as to what life is all about. I've often felt that people kind of get griped at me for hanging out in the Chatter section to the extent I do but what a lot of them don't realize is that without a soul the brain does no good whatsoever. If we, as a community, allow ourselves to go the way that many have; constantly bickering, griping, flaming, insulting and so forth then we too, as I already mentioned, deserve the fate we have made for ourselves. I see what I try and do, like John K. does on Fridays, is to help the community to be FUN. We all work too dang hard to have to come here and fight among ourselves too.

In my opinion, you owe the community the obligation to help out here as well, as does everyone else who has benefited from said community. Me too. This is for me VERY VERY SERIOUS BUSINESS even though I screw around a lot. <g> It is very deliberate. I can answer a lot of the technical questions if I choose. I choose to concern myself with the heart and soul though.

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>Further, Advisor, IMO, is being very irresponsible by rebuffing these comments. IMO, the readership is getting the short end of the stick. I am trying to be an advocate for the reader here....

Sure, but remember... Everyone makes their own "life's lessons" by the way they act. DOn't pay your bills on time? Hey, you put yourself in a position to learn what happens. Put out a lousy magazine, depending on the revenue from that mag. to support you and guess what? Pretty soon readership goes down and something gives. If Tamar is all that bad (I don't think so personally) then she'll get the proverbial "boot" just as soon as the pinch starts. Personally I think she just needs a year off. What she does, constantly grinding at articles, writers, etc, has got to take a toll and I know I wouldn't want the job. <g>

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>While we disagree on some points, your points are well taken....

Thanks. Let's see what we can do to bring light here, ok?

Best,

DD

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>>John,
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>>>I don't think it's appropriate for me to discuss internal magazine matters in a public forum. If you look back, you'll find that I've never done so, regardless of who started the thread
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>>>Just to reiterate, bad content getting published is NOT an internal magazine issue. You and Advisor owe the readership an explanation for how this happens. For too many months, this has been the status quo. The time has long passed for you to offer up an explanation. Whether it comes from you or Advisor, I don't care. The readership has a right to know...
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>>>Do you not agree with this???
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>>Bad content is not your business either. Other than to point out to others the how's and whys and so forth which you have every right to do and which many of us read in order to learn - after wading through your relentless pursuit of non technical issues. Advisor has every right to print their magazine any way they choose, with any content they choose and as poorly as they choose, even if you don't like it.
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>>How Advisor Publications runs their business really is none of your business.
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>>I say that with the greatest respect for your technical acumen. I have no doubt that you have very good technical issues to gripe at them about. What they choose to do in response is none of your dang business!
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>>You can only choose for yourself. They can only choose for themselves. You have every right to not like what they print. They have every right to print something you do not like.
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>>What about this can you not accept!?!?!
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>>Everone knows that you have a gripe with them.
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>>Have you confused your need to be right with their right to be wrong?
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>>Best,
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>>DD