>Jim
>But really shouldn't they be using lcWhatever instead of m.Whatever? Like you and just about everyone else here on UT does? Or do you prefer the safe-net of m.? Do you suggest frameworks should adhere to m. practices? Perhaps m.lcWhatever would be even safer?

Using lc or Hungarian notation in general, is personal preferance. There is nothing requiring anyone to use it. I usually don't use m., but that's a personal preference. Just one other note...you should never use m. on the left side of and equal sign when using it as an assignment. You're code will run slower.