>Whats even worse are the IDE's. I tried Visual Age and one other offered by Sun that were so slow I quickly lost interest.

I am using Visual Cafe here, the so called Award winning JAVA IDE. I think the sluggishness isn't related much on the IDE but on the JAVA Virtual Machine. BTW, JAVA is being called CPU friendly while C is memory friendly. Any developers that I talked to who've tried JAVA using different IDEs have the same complaints: SLUGGISHNESS - which is not tolerable. You have to have 1500 MHZ of PC to make it interesting. That said, majority of the 2.5M claims to be JAVA users are just being curious IMO. I am giving JAVA the benefit of the doubt that's why I am studying it further (just to be in tune) but not to the point of replacing what I am using as premier tools - VFP/VB because if I do that our customers will send me to jail because of the sluggishness. I am looking forward to VS7 with its WEB forms offering.

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