>Aside.... Did I pick up somewhere that you are a codebook expert?

uhhhh who me? I'm comfortable with Codebook but I wouldnt exactly call myself an expert :)

>I'm trying to follow a suggestion in a thread a few days ago that tearing apart a framework is a good way to learn oop. So I found the codebook web site but I can't download the files I need becasue their firewall protection screws up IE. Got any suggestions?

Do mean http://Codebook.leafe.com ? If so that's Ed Leafe's site and he does a lot of MAC stuff. I have no idea how to help you myself, I'm not a firewall kind of person. But if you drop an email note to Ed at webmaster@leafe.com I'm sure he can help you figure it out.