>>That code is built into VFP and you have to be a member of the Fox team to see it.
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>>You can get the titlebar height using one of the Sysmetric options and you can add that to you Form.Height.
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>I just thought of an ugly workaround. I'll just maximize one form, get its height, then do the rearrangements. I can't think of anything else less complicated.
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>Thanks for everyone's inputs.
>Ramil 7/10

Forgot to add, SYSMETRIC() helped a lot too. Thanks, Larry.