>>Since you dont know what your talking about, let me give you an analogy of what your saying... Can a master carpenter build house with tools and a blue print? Sure. Would he though? Of course not, why do you think they call him a master carpenter.
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>Could an architect build a house from his own blue prints? Sure he could. The size of world is limited by our vision of ourselves. Would you prefer to enjoy the design and testing of a propietary frame work and have fun selling millions of copies of it to other developers and users, or would you prefer to buy and use someone elses stuff for the sheer excileration. I appologize - I'm just another Arthur McKensie that doesn't know his place. - You're right - third party frames are the way to go. I'm convinced! Where can I buy one 'bg'.

Terry I have never made the point with you that a commercial framework is preferred to an expert's own framework in any shape or form. I totally disagree that statement.

As Ken pointed out, your original comment came across as questioning the merit of using a framework (of any sort) vs. using no framework. Frameworks in general... the term "framework" in this discussion does not necessarily mean "commercial"