>if you show a form, even as a top-level, do you still have a _screen object?

Yep.

>But for that matter, why even show the main VFP screen if the login fails?

Because the login screen shows in the VFP Screen. I dunno. Well, in my framework, you can get into the app without logging into succesfully, you just have no security. So the Login is shown in the VFP screen at the beginning and even in the middle.

Though, Edgar's form isn't a top level, I suppose trying a READ EVENTS won't hurt, though, I don't see why it doesn't work the way it sits.