Hi John,

Waw... having been away for some time, but having witnessed a lot of these threads in the passed, I'm surprised how very strong, and yes even mature, the response to this issue is. Well yes I somehow exclude the leather and buckle response of course, but then look who proposed it. :)

Kind regards,

Marc

>Depends. I can't abide by hitting women with the buckle....but the leather end seems like an added bonus :-O
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>>Leather end or buckle end? <s>

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