Doug, the use of the word YOU in this reply is NOT you personally. I don't know of a really good place to reply to all this, so this spot was elected, and I am checking the boxes for everyone on this thread.

First, this is in no way in defence of JVP. He is perfectly able to do that himself. This is also not just referencing this threads. This goes for any threads. Second, I have not attended the sessions, and my comments are general and directed to past and ongoing feuds.

If anyone has a problem with the approach someone takes, that is a style [or personality] issue between the approacher and approachee[s], and I have no problem with anyone debating someone's style or approach. If your problem is with the technical merit [substance] of whatever is being discussed, argue those points. However, I do have a problem using style as an arguement against the substance. My primary point of this entire response is to remind everyone to base your arguements appropriately, regardless of whether you are debating substance, style or both

Now to the pertinent comments I have regarding listening to presentations. When I am going to invest my time [and sometimes $$$], I want to be able to take the information provided, apply it and have it work. Theory and canned demos that always work only get you so far. When it comes down to showtime, too often there are missing details critical to what you are trying to accomplish.

I have already paid my substantial registration fee for DevCon as I am sure many of you have. What do you expect to get out of DevCon? A bunch of theory that may or may not work when you get back home and try it for yourself? Not me. As the saying goes, The Devil is in the details.