Good...it's over. About time...

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>John,
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>>As I have thought. You can dish it out but really don't like it back. Perhaps the next time you cut someone off at the knees by your not-so-clever insinuations and snide remarks you will remember this message you just sent? We'll see I suppose.
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>>Oh I can take it.. Hey, if you want a shot at the title, be my guest...
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>How many folks and how many times have others brought up these issues with you John? It really isn't just me.
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>>Thank you for confirming, once again, the stark difference between attitude and knowledge.
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>>Given that by definition they are in fact two different things, this does not surprise me...
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>Well, let's just say we'd disagree.
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>>Lessee... What was that phrase? Oh yeah, "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and to lose his own soul."
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>>Why do you always bring a religous aspect to your arguments? I hear the thump of the bible now...< s >...
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>Simple, it's a part of my life, just as it apparently is not a part of yours. Why is it not proper for me to talk about something that is a part of my life? Are you suggesting that others should lower their level of tolerance to your level? How magnanimous of you! <g>
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>Let's turn this around. Why are you always refusing to bring your empty non-faith-based thought process into the mix? Oh, wait a minute, you're not but you want others to become only that which you view of life then?
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>IOW, you want the world to look like John wants it to look. Sorry, won't happen and I guess you will either lose a gasket trying to make it (the world) in your image or accept is as it is.
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>Why are you so intolerant John?
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>(for the interested viewer: Here DD uses a typical JVP ploy and makes an assertion about his intended recipient, while seeming to claim the moral high groud. Nothing like throwing a little dirt and standing above it all, and appearing to know so much... Hoping that JVP will somehow come to his senses and realize that his methodologies are entirely transparent to all. A kind of quid pro quo.. All the while, playing off his victim for the audience. <g>)
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>>I'm more than happy to cede to you that you are smarter than every other human being, living or dead. What do you gain from this? Nothing that will last.
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>>You see, that is YOUR defensive interpretation of everything. There are lots of people smarter than me. Don't lay your hang-ups on me. At the very least, don't put words in my mouth...
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>No, not defensive whatsoever. I happen to think you're extremely bright, have a lot to offer and you're pretty much self-absorbed and using your argumentative positions here to bolster your inner emptiness. Oh, wait, not supposed to talk about that. Sorry...
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>>>When you are gone, what will people remember of you? Or me?
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>>Oh I can hear the violins now.....< s >....
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>>>Why should I leave you alone John? You don't leave others alone and I just figure that what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, don't you? I mean let's be unemotional and just deal with the facts without any emotion, right? Or, do you have those emotions but you are to entranced by your own view in the message-mirror to notice? Don't you think that others should use your own standards when conversing with you? Or are there two sets of rules?
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>>Leaving me alone was for your benefit, not mine... Bring it on if you must...
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>Well, I was thinking also for the benefit of the others you try and bully as well; particularly when they disagree with you and dare challenge you. I've watched you come at them relentlessly and I just thought I'd let you know what it feels like.
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>You back off, I back off. You insist on acting like a clown - "Honk honk!!" <g>
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>It's simple really. Just learn to think of others as you think of yourself - Very highly.
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>>Oh, as for your silly attempt to make me feel insecure by insinuating that the others here wouldn't want to have me on their 'short list' I'm perfectly comfortable. My sense of security comes directly from the notion that God loves me and what you may think/say, while it does hurt at times really can't impact me at the end of the day.
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>>Yea...and you know what I can't stand...bible-thumping fundamentalists and the religous right Rush Limbaugh Ditto Heads who insist on trying to subjugate everybody to their religious points of view. If God loves you, great. If you feel comfortable, great. If you are comfortable with your faith, great. I am comfortable with mine - and for sure, I don't bring it up every chance I get.
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>Yes, you do, by virtue of what you are, what you type and what you think. Surely you're not that unaware of how it is that what you are impacts others are you? Or do you just not care John?
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>Sorry, tough tiddlywinks. Get used to it, accept it or go away. I have to listen to your pov and as I said, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Can't take it huh? <g>
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>>You do this every so often Doug - get in your pulpit and make a sermon....
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>You bet John! I wish everyone took advantage of all available resources for their personal growth and benefit - not only in this world but the next. What's wrong with wanting that? At least I care about my fellow man. What are you offering them?
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>>I'm also perfectly content to not attempt to dissuade you from the notion that you are by far Mr. Popular. <g> You see, even if no one in this community cared one whit for me that still wouldn't change my thoughts towards them. I cannever give back to these fine friends what they have so graciously and generously given to me John. I am now, and will forever be in their debt. Anything I could ever give to them is little or nothing compared to what they have given to me already. *s*
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>>Wait...I feel my eyes welling up....
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>*shrug*
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>Hear that everyone? John could care less what you think about him...
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>Shame, but no one can remove themself from being human, try as they might.
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>>I'm sorry this has become personal for you John. I had hoped for more. Still, someone had to try and make you see a clear picture of yourself. If I have erred the fault is entirely my own.
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>>Gee I don't know, somebody posting claiming that he is in it now to rub my nose in something....What gave you the impression it is personal??????
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>Sure, and apparently I touched a real sore spot with my tongue-in-cheek sarcasm didn't I? Why so touchy John? Take yourself a little too seriously these days?
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>I suppose you think I did that by accident? <g>
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>What? Don't like having your stings pulled?
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>Hmmm... Wonder how many people here have wished that you'd quit doing that to them John. How's it feel? Crappy I hope. Perhaps you will have one of those epiphinematical experiences and realize you do indeed live in fron of others.
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>Chill out man...
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>>The dinner/lunch offer stands. Let's see if you're man enough to get past your petulence and take me up on it.
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>>I am man enough to what I damn well please....
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>Heh.. Say that on your deathbed. You will succumb to life, just as all others do, including me.
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>>I honestly would love very much to make your acquaintance. If you do not wish to reciprocate, that's fine, but at least be mature enough to admit it is you that has a tolerance deficit.
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>>Fine, I cannot tolerate you...Happy...
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>No. Actually I'm not. I'm actually quite disappointed. I'm sorry that you cannot see it to rise above your life's circumstances and choose the high road. I honestly thought you had it in you.
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>Well, the offer still stands. You are always welcome in my world John.
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>I will admit to one and all that in this last little series of messages that I have been very rough on John. I apologize to you all for having to put you through this. I could see no other way than to confront John in public regarding his poor public behavior using his own techniques. As you know, this is not my normal way. My hope is/was that I could perhaps get John to see what damage he has inflicted upon himself by virtue of his online 'manner'. I have done that by deliberately adopting his manner and returning it to him, in the hopes he will somehow "get it." Based on the number of private messages I have recieved I understand that I am far more optimistic than most. I will now cease.
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>Michel, I want to publicly apologize to you - above all. You have been gracious throughout this whole episode and I understand that I have exceeded my limits. I hope you understand that my sole intent has been to somehow move things in the proper direction. Any rudeness, goofs, mistakes, gaffes and so forth are entirely my own. I will be more than happy to take responsibility for them in whatsoever fashion you wish.
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>Best,
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>DD