As i was saying:

>while in fox as the previous example shows u can define
>a procedure to act just as a function

Yes i know that, so what we have is an ambiguous way of defining them, but also, an ambiguous way of CALLING them (with Parenthesis or with DOs), and here is where the "real" probblems appear. What your sense of reality would say about this: you call a PROCEDURE defined subroutine using a FUNCTION-like SYNTAX (with parenthesis), does it have it parameters passed by REFERENCE (as in PROCEDURES) or by VALUE (as in FUNCTIONS) ?
IMHO, no mather what the response is, the difference this araises is as important for "real" programmers as the one between PRIVATE and LOCAL variables in VFP!

Not to mention that METHODS (wich actually was what made Tom be shocked) don't follow the sintax for CALLING func. nor for proc. anyway.

J. Luis