in the class designer it is under the class info (in the class menu) Arnon > >>basically VFP initialize controls (in a container) from the innermost to >the >>parent >>you can however specify NOINIT for any object in a class - but then you >have >>to call them manually (and you can do that in wahtever order you like) >> >>Arnon >> > >Arnon, > >Can you get to the NOINIT from the class designer -- or is it only when you >actually code the DEFINE CLASS ... > >