>>No, you don't HAVE TO have a toplevel form. After you turn the SCREEN=OFF in the CONFIG.FPW, you can now do all your adjustments to _SCREEN size, location, etc., then do _SCREEN.Visible=.T.. This way, you don't SEE the changes take place, it just "pops up" looking how you want it to look.

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>That's the way i have it too, but out of his post i thought he didn't want the FoxPro screen at all.
>(I have no screen at startup. I first show a top level splash screen. Then i start the app in the main _screen)

If you call your app with the -T parameter, the VFP splash screen won't show, regardless of whether you have SCREEN=OFF or not.