>>maybe Tom's Grandma actually said "viniger." Rural South, and all that. < g >

I did have one Grandma from the south but she died when I was 2. My other Grandma was from Clevland (the mistake by the lake) Ohio. Smoked 3 packs of Pall Mall every day for 70 years. She lived to be 97 and died in 1981. So I really can not use that as cover for my bad spelling. It's just something I was never good at and THAT is why I thank God for spell checkers! < g >