John,

Is there a reason your last message didn't address the other arguments Erik was making? It seemed there were about 5 or 6 points, and you only responded to the last 2 -- about Erik's (alleged) lack of experience. (Yes, I know he brought it up, but I thought his clarification was valid, and I do think he is qualified to be contributing to this thread).

I don't really care about the part of the discussion dealing with experience or lack thereof...I was getting good info from both sides and was wondering if you would comment on the following (I cut and pasted the parts of Erik's last reply that got left out of your response).

JoeK

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JVP: With RV's - because they are bound to the UI, you don't have a choice here - you need to make the change.

EM: That's absolutely not true. I can add and modify fields in an RV all day long without touching the front end.
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EM: For 90% of all cases, all you need is the Add/Update/Delete functionality that a basic RV gives you. In that last 10% of cases, you are still free to use SPT or SPs.

JVP: I would disagree that 90% of the apps out there are "trivial" in nature.

EM: I didn't say 90% of _apps_ are trivial. I said 90% of cases are. Nearly all apps have some non-trivial data access needs, and this is where I was prescribing SPT or SP. Remember, nothing says it has to be an all-or-none deal.
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JVP: Our middle-tier does not have the password. The middle tier is totally generic. If your middle-tier items have this type of information - I would suggest you rethink your design...If you want to instantiate our data classes, you need to provide a login and password.

EM: So your middle tier objects are not usable from the web? I didn't see where you are passing a username and password with every method call? 3 of the last 4 databases I have designed needed web access- how do you propose that I would use DataClas to connect them? Details please.
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