As far as I know, that can't be completely gotten rid of. It's entirely possible that I'm wrong though, and if you find out how, I'd be MORE than excited to learn the trick. :)

>I have an app that uses top level forms and now that i think we've gotten all the kinks worked out with the menus i would like to try to get rid of the main vfp window that flashes before the top level form is drawn. the first line of code in my main is Application.visible = .f.