Ken, you are pretty much embarrassing yourself here - hopefully you will not be working on financial apps in the near future.

either you misunderstood me or I am misunderstanding you - there is nothing in anything you posted (too long to copy here) that disputes anything I said - if anything - the statements that:

>The "pie" does not get bigger or smaller according to how you distribute the cash.

>Most economists do not believe that all government spending leads to a multiplier effect.

both support fully what I believe and what I was saying - so what's the issue?