>>either you misunderstood me or I am misunderstanding you - there is nothing in anything you posted (too long to copy here) that disputes anything I said - if anything - the statements that:
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>>>The "pie" does not get bigger or smaller according to how you distribute the cash.
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>>>Most economists do not believe that all government spending leads to a multiplier effect.
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>>both support fully what I believe and what I was saying - so what's the issue?

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You stated, and I quote: "All of which stimiulates the economy several orders of magnitude above what the billion dollars given directly did."
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>There is no differance in the orders of magnitude.
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>"That's the great thing about capitalism - even greed feeds the economy and makes the pie bigger for everyone"
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>Redistribution (by whatever route) does not make the pie bigger! I say "the pie does not get bigger" and you say this supports what you have said: "and makes the pie bigger for everyone".

Excellent argument, but your tag line is even better :).