>"That's the great thing about capitalism - even greed feeds the economy and makes the pie bigger for everyone"
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>Redistribution (by whatever route) does not make the pie bigger! I say "the pie does not get bigger" and you say this supports what you have said: "and makes the pie bigger for everyone".

I'm not sure we disagree still. I'm not talking about redistribution A vs redistribution B - I'm talking about redistribution vs leaving in the private sector to start with.

If - on the other hand - your really believe that "the size of pie" is set (no matter what) and that all we can do is re-arrange slices - then I will simply say that I fundamentally and profoundly disagree with you - to the point that I would not be able to continue a discussion. It would be like trying to discuss Calculus with someone who disagrees that 2+2=4.