Chris,

>>Come to Memphis and let some of the locals educate you.< G >
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>I may be coming down for the Liberty Bowl, Uniiversity of Louisville vs. Colorado State. Know any place I can get some barbeque without getting mugged? I want to stay a liberal. *g*

Dang...

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>>He's talking about MOST of the liberal "leadership" including the media and especially Clinton and his crew of thugs whoe villanized Ken Starr, Matt Drudge, Monica, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

Right. Thanks for the clarification. Most of the leadership is IMO hugely left-wing and quite intolerant.

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>>>And where was all this moral outrage when Newt Gingrich was leading the conservative crusade? Wasn't he an adulterer? Hey, maybe I was out to lunch or something, I just didn't hear the bashing coming from the right.>
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>>I believe you answered the question yourself, "was leading." He no longer leads the conservatives. Where is Clinton?
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>I just don't remember hearing the moral outrage from the right.

One answer: Q-Tips. <g>



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>>Sure, Lieberman doesn't hold the Sabbath in too high esteem anyway. Didn't he make campaign appearances during the campaign on the Sabbath? I think yes. He used to be one the conservatives could point to as a democrat with some character, now we just point out that he is another liberal character.
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>Is it your understanding that he should not be campaigning on the Sabbath? My knowledge of Judaism is limited, but I thought I had read he could not ride in a car or talk on the phone during the Sabbath. And from what I have read, he has done that, including walking four miles to cast a senate vote on Saturdays.

Orthodox Judaism is fairly strict with respect to 'work' being performed on the Sabbath. For example; if you wore false teeth you could not wear them on the Sabbath as this constituted carrying a burden. Same for wooden legs. <g> The distance you were allowed to walk was, if I correctly recall, under one mile. Either 1/4 or 1/2 if memory serves. You couldn't & can't light a fire for example but microwave ovens are apparently ok (go figure <g>).

The one I like is the Shabbat Elevator you can find today in Israel. As pushing a button constitutes work these elevators spend the entire Sabbath rising and falling; stopping on each floor as they ascend and descend. You can simply step into them and step off at your floor without violating Shabbat. <g>

I don't think riding in a car was taboo but I don't think you could drive one.

So my guess is that Mr. Lieberman propbably isn't a strict adherent, even though he claims to be Orthodox. Do the degree that he is insincere about his faith and seeks to use ot for political gain - to the same degree I'd think he's off base as far as being consistent with his declarations of orthodoxy.

One other thing: Since there is nothing mentioned in the Torah regarding smoking you will find a large number of otherwise very orthodox Jews who alkso are heavy smokers.

In Israel today you do not want to drive through an Orthodox neighborhodd or close to one. You will get pelted with rocks.

Also, during the times of Jesus (don't know if it holds true now) the Sabbath was either from 6:0PM Friday to 6:00PM Saturday -or- if you were from one of the northern 10 tribes you would typically start about 2(?) hours earlier. This helps explain the timelines that some claim are inconsistent in the New Testament.