Rock Jenson I believe works thru a company called Corporate Skills Development in the Grand Rapids area. Might not be in the city limits though. The email address I have is not valid either. Sorry.

You may contact me at raymond.e.ross@cis.state.mi.us anytime. I would like to know about your user group. Traveling to GR might not be easy during the winter but I might consider attending one of the meetings weather permitting.

thanks
Ray Ross