> i've seen some bad vfp, but most of it has been by bad clipper programmers > i've had to work with... Fairly true, the most of the bad fox comes from ex-clippers. The really worst one (i have it on my 5.25 floppies somewhere in cenosoic) was doing it like this. do while .t. if some_condition=1 @ 1,1 say "some prompt" @ 1, 15 get some_var Read do case case readkey()... endcase if some_condition=2 @ 3,1 say "another prompt" @ 3, 15 get another_var Read do case .... endif endd Sounds a bit ex-cobol, eh?