>you guys can voice those opinions without fear of the pervebial knock on the door in the wee hours of the morning and being carted off to some gulag.

Just got back from the gulag (we don't have guns here in Canada, so I was carted off in the middle of the night, just as you said). You wouldn't believe how productive it was -- no phone calls or email to interrupt solid development time. Of course, I had to put up with "indoctrination" sessions, long hours of sleep-deprivation, mind-altering drugs, and bright lights, trying to convince me that .NET was the savior of developers worldwide.

Doug