>>VFP is getting too complicated to write everything ourselves. Sometimes we >need to invest a little in our environment (frameworks, etc) it is not that it is too complicated - it takes some time to develop though (I think Tom and me worked on that at about the same time, so you can ask him) it is just a matter of time vs. cost , if I can get good components in a reasonable price, there is no reason not to use them Arnon