You know, I'm starting to wonder if maybe this isn't a done deal! Look at the people on the wiki that are pushing this notion of removing VFP. They're all the top developers for VFP. Do you think Mike and company have already been told it's coming out and they are trying to soften the blow? I'm betting since these guys are tauting it, it's already a done deal! That's the only thing that makes sense. Why else would you remove a product from a suite that will have much more marketing exposure? It's all about marketing anyway - isn't it!