>Unless I'm missing something, a container object doesn't have a TOP property.

>>Then your'e missing something cause my Containers have them. Is this based on a container class?
yes...ok, I'm feeling really dumb here...what AM I missing?

I just created a new class, based on VFP's Container class...OOPS, ok, yep, duh...maybe it's not early Alzheimers (yet). I see that the CLASS doesn't have the TOP, LEFT, etc., but the object, based on the class does...makes sense...thanks all...J