I forgot to add that I tend to do "everything" in the Database/Tables. Meaning, I don't trust the forms enough, because if I was to use BROWSE, I like to have those features in there, so that when I create form, grid, whatever, the features (error trapping, whatever) would be active, instead of wondering what would happen if someone (or me) go around and do entry in some other ways... even if I am blocking access in such. Is that a bad thinking?

Chuck