Hi Fred,

>It still all works as expected for me, I don't see any changes during/after the Init. What does the code in your init look like?

This is driving me nuts - and I'm about ready to forget about it, since I'm not even planning to USE this at the moment. But I wanted to get back to you about it. I've tried to get things down to the basics:

I am using the VFP base classes to create a form, and a container CLASS that contains text boxes - then create an object from the class on the form. I am only seeing the TOP value when I display the value of OBJTOCLIENT in the init of the form (I've removed all other code).

I just noticed that if I create a container directly in the form, then add a text box to the container, that works as expected. Also (maybe I'm just halucinating here), if I use the class mentioned above and move a textbox, so that it doesn't have the default value for TOP, that seems to work too!

Thanks for your help on this - I'm losing interest (and time!)...hope i never need to depend on this, because, I * think * I've seen some flaky things. It's too late on a Friday afternoon. J