>This is where the beauty of Personal Oracle [and MSDE for SQL Server] really come to light with respect to developing these types of apps.

I will pass this info on to the person who will someday (I hope soon) upsize our database. I have found the program TOAD quite usefull for making my queries. BI-Query also looked quite interesting. Just seems to take too long to get use to how it works. I'm itching to get into the Oracle programming. Up till now we've done little Micky Mouse reporting programs to access our Oracle server. I am currently evaluating some Oracle training centers. I also wrote down the names of some of the books you recomended to others. And will have to make a purchace there real soon.

Mike