Hi Chris.

>Any ideas? I have an as top level form with titlebar = 0, minbutton .f., maxbutton .f. no caption etc... The titlebar does not show in design but when I run the form there it is - proud as can be - a titlebar!!! How do I get rid of it?

That's a bug in VFP: a subclass or form based on a class with TitleBar set to 0 in the Property Sheet shows a title bar. The workaround is to put This.TitleBar = 0 in the Init of the class (in other words, do it programmatically, not in the Property Sheet).

Doug