>>Good point. Thanks Larry. Do you know off hand if this behavior is the same in VFP7? Obviously it would be nice if even user defined properties could be reset to the "default" value.
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>It would be nice if we could at least get to the values the properties were when teh form started, useing GETPEM, PemStatus or sys(2019) orwhatever it is.

Agreed, and that's what I meant, :-) since a user defined property does not have a "default" value, but ( I guess ) it does have an initial value. I figure w/o strong typing a true default value would be difficult here since a type for the default could not be insured. Inside VFP they probably control this sort of thing.