>OK, I'm not lying :)
>
>Here's the excerpt from the help for WVISIBLE() (VFP 6, SP3):

Yep, I see it now.< mumbles to self about the two year old, unfilled, prescription for new eyewear. >

I just checked the following with Spy++. I retrieved the window handle using lnhwnd = _WhtohWnd(_WFindTitl("")). The value that it returns is corresponds to one of the windows VFP creates that is not contained within the VFP frame. VFP creates a number of other windows (over a dozen actually) that are outside the frame. These are not children of, nor owned by the main VFP window.