Cetin,
Thank you.
Bill Caton also confirmed that I'm not crazy :>
and suggested setting the height in the load or init.

I tried changing the size in code and it seems to work....
but as bill mentioned, it make the development environment annoying...
but at least it works.

At this time I think I'll skip the scrollbars.

This is a form I'll be running through Web Connect and I think I'm safer to not use the scrollbars.

Thank you for your assistence!
(not just today's...you've helped me many times over the years!!!)

Rick

>Rick,
>There is a known bug (or feature by design) with forms that have scrollbars. That's if you have an object with left or top greater than desktop*2 then scrollbar disappears. You don't have scrollbars I think but sounds to be realted with it. If you set height in PEM sheet you get about your current desktop height. If you manually force it in form init :
>this.height = 3000
>then you get near maximimum desktop height * 2. Sounds like a 800*600 desktop would never be able to set 1400.
>Cetin
>
>>Jay,
>>Are you referring to the "maximum design area" in the Tools/Options menu item?
>>If so, do you mean the item on the Forms tab?
>>If so, I've already set it to NONE.
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>>Check Tools, Options, Forms.
>>>
>>>There's a "maximum design area" value which you can set to accomodate various form sizes as the default. This value will be applied to all forms you create while at that setting.