>yeph. exacta-mundo. it's just frustrating at times...and you so much want to say, okay. prove it! let's talk about inehritance and how i can develop apps in half the time you do because you have to code everything. oh do i even need to mention because of your sense of having develop everything, you don't even bother yourself with the actual database design? let's talk about that "i'll just code this real quick, who cares if it violates all the business rules that have been laid out. if it happens to do so, then i 'll just program around it and fix it later on..."
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>In the words of charlie brown...ARRRGGGGHHHH....

This battle seems to be fought everywhere. :-)