basic answer -- can't be done. even if you explicitly execute the cursor, Oracle doesn't allow you to specify which level (item, block, form) cursor you are calling. It will always work from highest granularity (item) to least (form) and execute the first one it finds with code.

>We do some generic data validation and field updates in the when-validate-item at the form level. Sometimes, we need to use this trigger at the item level (which causes the form-level trigger to not fire).
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>How can we (can we???) tell the form to fire both of these?
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>There are days I wish we were still using Visual Foxpro. I could do this with my eyes closed there...