:) I already have one and posted portion of it to do the job Jimi asked. There not only checking and returning something because within class I use same collection for a variety of things.
Cetin

>You are absolutely correct!
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>I am preparing a working example right now. My previous posts were examples of technique, rather than functional code, I will be posting the implementation code in an hour. I welcome your critique of the approach, as well as a functional method. Please feel free to augment this code as appropriate to make a generic tool.
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>Thanks
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>>Yes you'd know there is a container type. But it needs pagecount. Commandgroup needs buttoncount etc.
>>>Hi Celtin,
>>>
>>>If there were a pageframe should we should change the test for container to:
>>>

>>>    if pemstatus(toRef,'addobject',5)
>>>

>>>
>>>this would catch container controls
>>>
>>>>No I meant what if there was say a pageframe :)
>>>>Cetin