Hi Darren! Do you using the VMF (full version)? I tried the freebie version and found it very interesting... >>Thank fot HO about Codebook, but what can you say about a business object >>implementation in other frameworks like Mere Mortals, VFE, VMF and so on? >VMF (Visual MaxFrame) doesn't include class definitions for business >objects. They don't even follow 'pure' OOP, which IHMO reduces unneeded >complexity, making the framework very easy to implement.