Builders are available, but not required to use the classes. Although, they do save a lot of time building forms. I believe VFE has a similar philosophy in regard to builders. I've only used the latest version of ProMatrix, but I understand it is more object-oriented than previous versions. It certainly does have a certain methodology to follow, so I can see why it may not be the right fit for everyone. Anyway, just an FYI.

>Hi Jack,
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>I'm talking from faint memory from having tried to use Promatrix for three weeks over a year ago. It's possible that I'm wrong, but I do recall feeling more in an App Generator's environment than using vfp and benefitting from a library of classes to get my work done.
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>As I said, its approach didn't feel right FOR ME and MY particular way of doing things. This is a very personal opinion and shouldn't be considered as my saying that one is better than the other.
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>Sorry if I shed some confusion onto the discussion.
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>Alex
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>>I've used Promatrix since the VFP beta and can't think when I have used a wizard in Promatrix. Where did you see wizards?
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>>Jack
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