Along these same "???" lines we often get - Tell the backgrounds and education the associates and yourself.
Answer: a Physicist that found programming by mistake, two musician's (they understand form and structure like no CompSci major I've ever met), an English major (again structure style etc.). All are in this type of development because they love it -- it's more than a job!
Response: That's never going to work.
Reply: Guess those three commercial apps your selling like hotcakes we wrote really don't run Eh?
Response: Welllllll. Don't let our customers know. Ok?

This dumb stuff is funny after some scotch.

>Boy, this thread is right out of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged". Too many
>James Taggarts in power.
>
>The world is run by "C-average" students.
>
>Good grief,
>Carl
>
>
>>I'm trying to get 3 new portables for me and my team. I asked for high end ones, suitable for applications development. The conversation went as follows:
>>
>>IS: What apps are you developing and what language/software do you need?
>>Jen: Several apps in VFP 3.0, upgrading to VFP 5.0. We already own VFP.
>>IS: You can't develop in VFP, it's not a supported product. You have to use Access. We can't support VFP.
>>Jen: I don't need support. I have a team of 3 people with a combined 24+ years experience in xBASE language development, 8+ in VFP 3.0/5.0 alone.
>>IS: You have to develop in Access -- it's company policy.
>>Jen: Access will not handle the
>> i) security requirements,
>> ii) number of users,
>> iii) volume of data and transactions.
>> (gave them a bunch of numbers here)
>>IS: [long pause] Oh, how come you are developing this level of apps?
>>Jen: I inherited some of them written in 4D on the Mac, I converted the first to a crossplatform (Mac/PC) VFP app when you forced us to switch to PCs.
>>IS: We didn't support 4D.
>>Jen: I know........
>>
>>
>>I'm getting the portables
>>The IS "help" desk tech is still breathing
>>
>>Jen