>http://www.levelextreme.com/wconnect/wc.dll?UniversalThread~?2,15,522680
>Let's get rrrrrrrrrready to rrrrrrrrrrrrrumble !!

yes; I read that... he's the one who was rather vauge about how / what he did. And to date, I have not recieved any reply back from those that say they can hack refox's branding about level I - and every sample I've sent to so called services or software vendors have not come back decompiled it. One admitted that they basically use a brute force attack -- but it only works on level I/I+ not II