>When the day came a preliminary design was presented. It was pretty good, actually. When asked for the PLAN the C++ guy said, and I quote: "modern projects aren't run like that. We don't waste time making a plan, we just do it". The PM and a few others of us told him he was crazy (in more polite words). But the owner was hearing what he wanted to hear. He fired the PM and the project leader andput Mr. C++ in their place.

I have written a lot of stuff without a plan, but the most stable and full-featured ones had one. I actually like the documenting/planning part of a project to some degree so I'm more inclined to add that automatically to a project I take on.

>By the way, for the record, in several posts Mr. Asherman has made reference to working with long-gone development products as well as a long history with Fox and related. I'm sure he's got the goods.

Yeah, I'm seeing both sides of the issue during this extremely colorful thread. Each side says that they other one is being narrow, and I think they're both right. He's taking a lot of grief for a couple misguided statements when much of what he says has validity.

>I, for instance, feel highly competent with FP/VFP and I've done a reasonably complex database using MSDE (through Access) as well as upsizing some to SQL Server. But in no way would I feel competent to write any kind of article about a VFP app. or a SQL Server app.

Me neither, but I'm of the mind that there should be more articles and support from the developer community to show MS that they should do a better job of promoting the product. Just like any other market of supply and demand.

Renoir