>Tony,
>
>I generally DELIGHT in problem solving. It's one of the few strengths I claim! And its generally highly satisfying too!
>
>But I *do* need a fighting chance.
>
>Not being told some very BASIC things, its very tough! Bugs add to the confusion. And lack of feedback on bugs and fixes makes it even worse.
>
>Again, other platforms/environments do not matter a pinch - it is VFP which concerns me.
>
>In any case, the objective is improvements (which should be helpful to everyone). Surely you cannot argue AGAINST improvements!
>
>Cheers,
>Jim N
>
>>>Tony,
>>>
>>>I guess that when one feels they have made a genuine effort to improve a situation and one sees/hears nothing, one tends, sometimes, to get a touch bitter sounding.
>>>
>>>I *am* disturbed but I wouldn't say "bitter".
>>>
>>>It doesn't matter to me what *OTHER* software houses may or may not do - are we to settle for the lowest common denominator? Does crap somewhere justify crap everywhere?
>>>
>>>I chose FP (then VFP) long ago, and have ggenerally done well by it. I think I have paid a certain amount of "dues" both monetarily and in time spent learning the intricacies.
>>>
>>>I have said VFP is good, but that we deserve GREAT. I still feel very much that way.
>>>
>>>Think about this. . . back in the late 60s and early 70s the Japanese made small tin-can cars that were the laugh of everyone. But prople began to realize that these things rarely broke and were very relaible transportation, even though they weren't that pretty (gaudy). Soon they heavily outsold the American cars, and it has taken over a decade for the American manufacturers to regain serious lost ground.
>>>
>>>Well, its starting to look like VFP *may* be becoming another big and gaudy American car - lots of sizzle but not a whole lot of basic performance. I, for one, do not want that to happen.
>>>
>>>If you feel that all is rosey on the VFP front, then good for you! It must be nice to have *no* problems or complaints and never hit any bugs and never code dumb workarounds. I should be so lucky! But I'm not.
>>>
>>>disturbedly,
>>>Jim N
>>>>>David,
>>>>>
>>>>>To the ol WISHLINE - never heard of VFPDOC!
>>>>>
>>>>>One would have guessed, *IF* that was really the place to send such stuff, that a response indicating such would have been most sensible/helpful. (I *have* heard of DOC Dave, but I guess tha's someone different) (and GONE, I understand).
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>Jim N
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, I go on and on about the DOCs, but only *AFTER* having tried all of the "channels" and having gotten exactly nowhere!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just curious, have you been sending DOC related suggestions to
>>>>>>
VFPDOC@Microsoft.com rather than FOXWISH?
>>>>
>>>>Jim,
>>>> You seem rather bitter to Microsoft and the way they do business.. Is this the truth?? And if so, why may I ask is this so?? Most other major software companies are doing exactly the same thing, so what is the difference..
>>>>
>>>>Thanx,
>>>>
>>>>Tony Miller
>>>>Vancouver, Wa
>>
>>Jim,
>> Well, this is from a guy who drives a 63 VW Bug.. I know that there are problems with VFP, but hey if you don't like the enviroment, MS is NOT holding you here.. I am sorry to sound that way, but I have been working with the Fox since 1.02... I have seen lots of problems with Fox (ever try getting it to run with OS/2?? Getting support from MS was a no go [Not a supported OS to be using ANY MS product]...)
>>
>> We are supposed to be able to solve problems, so that is my take on this type of situation.. If MS starts to make rumblings about VFP going away, then we need to show them that WE support VFP, and need it.. But if you look at the rest of the development tools out there.. Less seems to be the product we as developers are getting.. Manuals are at a premiuem, support is at a price, and bugs.. Well, the more features we want, the more bugs we'll be getting..
>>
>>I also know, not all the features in VFP will be used by us all, but until they make component based development tools, we will be getting bigger and robuster development tools..
>>
>>Thanx,
>>
>>Tony Miller
>>Vancouver,Wa
Jim,
Why do you think you DON'T have a fighting chance?? There are a lot of developer sworking with VFP, and they seem to be scraping by with the knowledge available to them thru the docs, the people they can communicate with online and their exeperience..
I am all for improvements, but only as long as they do not do too much damage to what I already have working.. But, in the case of VFP, I will give you that there are some problems, but as many others have stated, it is better now than it was a while back, where some trade rags went so far as to say Foxpro was dead.. Maybe Foxpro 2.x is dying due to the way it works with Win 95/NT, but if MS is making Version 6 while we speak (type??) and 7 is on the board, we seem to be getting more life from VFP than many thought possible..
I am also thankful that there enough people using VFP, that there can be Websites like this to help those with problems.. I am glad there are here, since expecting MS to help is not a good idea... Since the days MS took over FP 2.x, we had the forums to exchange ideas and get help, since Foxpro developers knew they could get better help from developers USING Foxpro than the company that made it..
Now that there are sites like this, we still will need the manuals, but can come here and share the info of many developers.. Yes, I'd love perfect documentation and a perfect working version of VFP, but I will settle on a good working version of VFP and free help like this..
Thanx!
Tony Miller
Vancouver, Wa
