>I must be missing something. I can't find a way to draw a simple box around a group of lables and text boxes on a form. I found the "Line" but I would need to struggle with 4 each per box, I found the "Box Method" but I think that only shows up when I run the form. "Shape" covers the objects I'm trying to suround. I can't seem to find a way to draw a box on the form that I can see while I'm laying it out. What am I missing?
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>Thanks in advance.

John,
If not a top level form with a grid or VFP7.0 then you could use a shape. Otherwise use a container which works in all cases and nicer for grouping objects.
Cetin