Jim,

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>Doug,
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>Looks like we agree on the basics.

On the goals it seems, perhaps not on the methods.

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>My main point is that, very soon now I believe, we will really have to take away that line of "making profit for their owners" as justification for business decisions. This is because it has come to mean two different things to two widely disparate groups of individuals.
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>The 'moral/altruistic" group uses it in the traditional sense while the (growing too fast) business leaders group (and their sycophants) use it as 'code' to mean "go ahead and do whatever it takes regardless of the external concequences".
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>I see a possible solution as stopping to use that phrase and questioning for precise details whenever someone else uses it to justify something.
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>Jim

Well, how would you propose actually making those changes? Outside force? Shame? Societal restructuring/retraining?

I think that prayer, education and some sort of hugely painful national 'crisis' that causes people to (hopefully) rethink what's important. I am, however, not at all confident that we have enough of a reserve of proper thinking to overcome the unbridled selfishness I see on all levels of society. The whole notion of entitlements has to disappear I think, and so forth.