>yes it is composite...
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>Thanks
>
>Tommy
>
>>>>Lots of ways,
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>>Tommy,
>>One more way is to Return .F. from Init and the object won't even exist. However, if it is a composite class, this can be dangerous because the programmer may not check before trying to access the object and if not, BOOM!

Putting the .visible=.f. into the .refresh may be an overkill. I'd put it in form's .init, somewhere in the end and surely after any dodefault(). If it still gets to be visible, someone in the parent class is stubborn and brings the darn thing to life too often - then this sort of overkill does need a counter-overkill :)