Len,

>Wrong on all accounts.

*sigh*

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>What I was trying to find out is how much you get out.

??

And this is proof of what may I ask? Other than showing a certain need to see others as inferior to yourself I suppose...

>You still haven't answered, how many Muslims have you talked to about their attitudes to the US ?

I have talked with none but have read about many and watched many on the news. Is talking the only thing that counts as 'proof'?

I will say that at this point in time my opinion is that the vast majority of those who adhere to Islam that live in the West are wonderful folks. As to those who live, say, in Indonesia where they've killed a bunch of folks (one they beheaded for example), or of those in the Sudan who engage in slave trading to this very day, of the Taliban who seem pretty barbaric, or the Iraquis who starve their own children while Hussein builds palaces (30+? at last count), or of the Saudia who publicly behead people or the Iranians who have to deal with the Imams, or of Kahdaffi who is just plain nuts, or of Arafat who has expressly advocated the utter elimination of Jews or of the wonderful Hezbollah saints or all the ones who killed people in the Olympics, or of a whole host of others.. No, I think that most are real nice folks.

As Mark pointed out in another message, you are seeing the moderate believers. These are indeed wonderful folks and I'd be delighted to call anyone of them a friend. You just can't seem to bring yourself to see the reality of some of these others it appears.

>Other than this one incident, how have you researched the fact that they will never give up ?

Yes. Here's one link: http://www.khouse.org/strategictrends/islam/ Read through it a bit. I believe Mark McCasland has provided a few others if you're interested.

I doubt it will convince you're preconclusions but, yes, I have read around a bit..

>Do you know WHY some fanatical Muslims hate America ?

Yes. These particular people have been taught to hate this way. Too bad they haven't been taught to forgive their enemies, eh? And remember... Forgiving one's enemy is a separate issue from allowing one's enemy to have their way with you without regard to defending one's self...

>Have you spent a little time researching these issues, or is this simply anger over the appalling events of Tuesday ?

Yes, I have.

Now.. Your turn to answer a few questions if you would please...

1) Are saying that hate in this case is ok or justifiable???

2) Are you suggesting that their hate for America justifies this attack Len?

3) Are you suggesting that because they hate America that precludes us from responding or that responding is somehow morally 'bad'? IOW, does their hate for us preclude us from reacting with equal force?

4) Do you suffer from guilt because you live in the 1st world instead of the 3rd world?

5) What do you 'feel' about the Palestinians dancing in the street? What do you 'feel' about their threats on the safety of the news folks should they run film of this event?

6) What, in your mind, would be the proper response for the US at this point?

I'm not sure I'm reading your messages correctly Len but it appears that you are somehow insinuating that it was ok for them to attack us or that it is somehow 'bad' for us to respond. This was an act of war and we have every right to respond as we see fit.

Last but not least.. Do you condone or support this behavior of slamming airplanes into buildings in any fashion whatsoever? I'd be very interested in an honest answer here...