Cetin,

Sorry I keep forgetting can not use less than or greater than symbols original message contained them....

Sorry guess I cut to much out for my sample code but I do go beyond the form size and it does not exceed -by a factor of 2- its height or its width...
for example when form displays i have 20 text boxes at right edge of display only 4 of which display and no scroll bar but pressing enter or tab I can count and find I get to each of the -non displayed textboxes- your sample works mine flops...Thought it best not to put all of prg in here it has over 137 labels and textboxes on screen...If you want I could put it in or email it. This is cruicial to project... Thanks again....BTW tried resizing form to 480x640 and still did not get scrollbars...

Cecil