>And I was referring to us all whining about it, not directed at you personally.

Helping to identify where things can be better for VFP either at Microsoft or with online mentions, that is all good, I don't consider that whining. When I say I want the Fox community to work with me and the Fox team more, that means help identify improvements that can be made. I can only help solve problems if I know about the problems exists, so everyone should feel free to post complaints or suggestions here. This is why I saw we need to work together. I never take constructive feedback or criticism personally, it is all useful.