Me? Clever? Alllllriiiight!!!

Anyway, in the long run, you're probably right about paying the fee and living with it. I guess it's kind of what MS (and others) count on; sort of like temporary taxes that end up never going away because everybody eventually accepts them. Like you, I'll probably end up going doing exactly the same (and then I'll email you an ulcer - share and share alike).

Ok, while I won't really end up getting an ulcer over this, I do however, reserve the right to be trememdously unimpressed by (and the right to gripe about) the lack of common decency shown by any company who would back their users into such a corner. It almost feels like extortion and makes one wonder what little goodies they might come up with next time.

Alan

>Alan,
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>Those are clever points. :-) I understand why that type of subscription might bother you. For me though I guess I just see things going that direction and it really doesn't bother me. I'll pay the subscription and always have my stuff. It's just money; I'll earn more.
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>Renoir
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>>I guess we'll have to disagree here. I have no problem with the idea that lapsing a subscription stops giving you anything more, but I have a very large problem with the idea that they also can interfere with what is already in your possession. Look at your 'magazines'. When you stop your subscription, do they show up at your door and collect some of the pages so that you can't re-read an article you already possess? Does Rogers Cable, or whoever, come and collect up your tapes so you can't re-watch something you taped while you had your subscription? No, sorry, but I see this as a very different sort of animal.
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>>Sure, if I don't pay the fee, don't give me any upgrades; cut off my support; fine. That makes perfect sense. But to take away what I already have? Like I said, I have a problem with this.
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>>Alan
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>>>Alan,
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>>>Not directed at you per se, but at the issue... What is the big deal with subscriptions? I use cable, satellite, magazines, ChemGro, etc without really thinking about it differently. If I don't pay the subscription the service stops. I would think that being able to keep the same thing I had last year without paying anything would be a good thing. I personally don't see a problem with changing my view of software from a product to a service.
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>>>Renoir
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>>>>I could be wrong in this, but isn't what MS is talking about just a little different from that type of agreement? As I understood it, while MS has backed off the XP subscription system for North America for this year, the intention, once it's introduced, is that you will get all these neat bells and whistles, but if you do not pay your next year's subscription fee, some of those bells and whistles may stop working. In other words, you pay each year just to be allowed to continue doing what you were doing last year.
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>>>>Yes, there may (probably will) be upgrades, but even if you don't need or want a particular upgrade, you still have to pay the fee.
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>>>>In most vertical apps of which I'm aware, you don't lose functionality by not paying a maintenance fee. You lose automatic upgrading, and probably support, but you still are allowed to continue on as before.
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>>>>Like I said, it's possible I misunderstood MS's stance, and if so, hopefully someone will correct me.
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>>>>Alan
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>>>>>I don't think MS is leading the way. Subscriptions are common for vertical market applications, although they may not be called subscriptions. Take a maintenance contract for example. It typically says you'll get any upgrades for the life of the contract...sounds like a subscription to me. What other vendors are learning is that subscriptions level out the cash flow and typically make you more money.
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>>>>>>IF other software companies are, indeed, moving to subscription licensing then you can bet your bottom dollar that it is because MS is leading the way.
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>>>>>>These others may well be first actually doing it, but that is only because it is far easier for them to do so than it is for MS.
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>>>>>>You make it sound like MS is only doing what others are doing.
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>>>>>>Jim