>From what I know, VFP designers usually are for beginner and intermediate use and give no a complete number of features and abilities that you can have when using just a pure VFP commands. For example, view designer have a lot of limitations, so for advanced development of view queries CREATE SQL View command is usually used. Another example - VFP 7 have a lot of new enhancements related to creating the COM objects, though you can use most of them only when defining COM object by DEFINE CLASS command; visual class designer does not allow to use these new features.

Vlad - I have to disagree with you here. While it's true that the View Designer and Query Designer are extremely limited, and it's also true that some of the VFP 7 COM enhancements apply only to code classes, I don't think that most expert VFP developers are working totally by hand. I certainly don't. I spend lots of time in the Class Designer and Form Designer, and use the Menu Designer, Report Designer and Project Manager as needed.

Tamar